Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/03/1997 03:30 PM Senate RES

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       CS  HCR  1 NORTH SLOPE NATURAL GAS PROJECT(WTR)                      
                                                                              
  CHAIRMAN HALFORD  called the Senate Resources Committee meeting to           
 order at 3:30 p.m. and announced    CS  HCR 1  (WTR)  to be up for        
 consideration.                                                                
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE RAMONA BARNES,  Sponsor, said CSHCR 1 urges the               
 establishment of a stable fiscal and regulatory environment in                
 order to provide the best opportunity for a new LNG project to be             
 economically viable and attractive.  She explained that to be                 
 viable, 14 million metric tons of gas must be sold per year and the           
 proposed project would transport and market the North Slope gas               
 resources in the Asian Far East Market.  It is believed there is an           
 opportunity in 2005 when demand in that market will rise enough to            
 accept the volume of gas which this project will provide.                     
                                                                               
 Alaska's huge volume of gas could be displaced from the market if             
 smaller more easily placed projects come on line first.                       
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN  thanked her for the work in this area and he asked if         
 identification of the leaseholders of rights-of-way or holders of             
 permits could be included.  REPRESENTATIVE BARNES replied that this           
 resolution is directed to the holders of the gas of which the State           
 owns 12 1/2%.  The leaseholders spoken to in this bill are those              
 major producers and some minor one who hold the lease for the gas             
 in the Prudhoe Bay fields.  She thought it inappropriate to                   
 identify Yukon Pacific in this particular resolution, although they           
 support the bill, because they don't own a lease at Prudhoe Bay.              
                                                                               
 Number 123                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN  asked her to clarify why the terms North Slope and            
 Prudhoe Bay were used.  REPRESENTATIVE BARNES explained that                  
 Prudhoe Bay referred to all the fields in that area and included              
 the surrounding fields as well, like Pt. Thompson.                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR SHARP  stated in some of the meetings on this issue there            
 was focus on the advisability of State equity ownership in a                  
 pipeline and he thought that it was deliberately left as one of the           
 options for the Governor to study.  He thought that was covered in            
 lines 28 - 29 on page 4.  REPRESENTATIVE BARNES agreed with that              
 and added that all of the State's participation needed to be                  
 evaluated.                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HALFORD  asked if other benchmarks could be used before the         
 year 2005.  He questioned by what date the contracts between the              
 parties were to be drawn up by the Governor and by what date were             
 they to be submitted to the legislature.  REPRESENTATIVE BARNES               
  replied that she intentionally did not put a date there, because             
 she didn't want to appear inflexible or unreasonable.  She restated           
 that she thought the year 2005 was important because of outside               
 competition and the support they receive when certain parties try             
 delaying tactics like wanting a new route opened up or                        
 technological requirements.                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  said that Senator Murkowski and others had used the         
 date 2007 and she would like to see an earlier date because it                
 would be better for all Alaskans.  She asked how she defined 2005             
 as the magic date.  REPRESENTATIVE BARNES replied that the only               
 people who say 2010 are the oil producers.  No one in the                     
 marketplace has said that.  No one in foreign governments has said            
 that to her.  They have all said between 2005 and 2007.                       
                                                                               
 Number 279                                                                    
                                                                               
  JEFF LOWENFELS , President and CEO, Yukon Pacific Corporation, said          
 they hold permits to transport North Slope natural gas to tide                
 water at Valdez and hold an export license from the federal                   
 government to export 14 million metric tons of LNG over a 25 - 30             
 year period starting at a date the project begins.   He said they             
 support the resolution 100%.  He said it was important to move                
 quickly and that 2005 is a crucial date.  To suggest that it should           
 be later would be suicide as far as a gas project from Alaska is              
 concerned.                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HALFORD  asked when they would actually have to start               
 construction in order to keep the 2005 date.  MR. LOWENFELS replied           
 that they had to start in about the next 18 months.  He said it               
 would be very difficult, but Yukon Pacific had done a tremendous              
 amount of advance planning.                                                   
                                                                               
  COMMISSIONER JOHN SHIVELY,  Department of Natural Resources, said            
 the administration has its own working group with the producers and           
 they have been working with Representative Barnes.  They think it             
 is an important step to reach an important goal.                              
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HALFORD  asked if he felt it was important to be in the             
 ground within 18 months in order to reach the 2005 goal.                      
 COMMISSIONER SHIVELY responded that he didn't think Mr. Lowenfels             
 meant that we had to be in the ground in 18 months, but that we had           
 to have letters of intent for purchase in 18 months.  We should be            
 in the ground between 2000 - 2002.  Mr. Lowenfels nodded agreement.           
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if 2005 was a realistic date that this                
 administration would also push for.  COMMISSIONER SHIVELY answered            
 that he didn't think they were as committed to the exact 2005 date            
 as Representative Barnes, although there is no question that a                
 market opportunity starts around then.  There is no question, also,           
 that the sooner we get to the market, the better off we are.                  
                                                                               
 Number 346                                                                    
                                                                               
  GEORGE FINDLING,  ARCO, supported HCR 1.  He said that expeditious           
 passage of this resolution will help advance the project.                     
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN HALFORD  asked for the ownership breakdown on the gas               
 reserves.  REPRESENTATIVE BARNES replied 30, 30, 22.                          
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if 2005 was a realistic date for having the           
 gas line in place and into the market.  MR. FINDLING replied if you           
 project everything going well, he thought production wouldn't                 
 happen before 2007.  But he thought that 2005 was a good target               
 date.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 376                                                                    
                                                                               
  MARK BENDERSKY , BP, said the interim work done by Representative            
 Barnes was very thorough and comprehensive and they are in full               
 support of the Resolution.                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked if he thought 2005 was a realistic date.  He          
 replied that 2005 is an excellent goal to work toward.  He said               
 there is a lot of competition for gas supply and it will be                   
 somewhat of a buyers market.  Their job would be to make sure                 
 Alaska's gas will be as high in the queue of supply projects as               
 possible.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 395                                                                    
                                                                               
  BEVERLY MENTZER,  Business Development Manager, Exxon, said she is           
 responsible for commercialization of the Alaska gas reserves.  She            
 emphasized that Exxon is very committed to commercializing Alaska's           
 gas reserves on the North Slope.  They are very supportive of this            
 resolution.  It is exactly what the project needs for it to move              
 forward at this point.                                                        
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked what she thought about the 2005 date.  MS.            
 MENTZER replied that they agree with the statement that there is an           
 opportunity opening up in the marketplace beginning in 2005.  They            
 believe the opportunity continues to grow as there is economic                
 development in the far east.  In shooting for a date she thought              
 there were two things to remember.  One is that it's not currently            
 economically viable and we need to make it economically viable.               
 The work on fiscal terms and cost reductions will help that   and             
 continued growth in the market will help.  So they are not in total           
 control.  Two, the market will ultimately decide which projects go            
 forward and which are developed.  They are moving forward and they            
 accept that date as a target.                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR LINCOLN  asked what she defined as a start-up date.  MS.             
 MENTZER replied first gas down the pipeline.                                  
                                                                               
  SENATOR SHARP  asked if she agreed that the critical movement here           
 is to go forward and obtain the consumptive contracts for that                
 period of time as the window opens up as early as possible.  MS               
 MENTZER replied that it is critical because the purchasers also               
 have quite a bit of investment to make on their side of the ocean.            
 They need the long lead time, too.                                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN  asked her about using Pt. Thompson in the earliest            
 stages as part of the ramp-up recognizing there is a cost to oil              
 left behind.  MS. MENTZER replied that they had not done a rigorous           
 relook at Pt. Thompson since August.  They have their estimates of            
 impact on oil recovery that are in the financial model that the               
 State currently uses and the economics of it are not significant to           
 the timing of the gas project.  They plan to reevaluate it in 1997            
 and will be getting a new estimate.  The key issue to them is if              
 Prudhoe Bay gas can't make the project economic now with all the              
 existing field infrastructure, if you take that same thing and                
 layer all the wells that need to be drilled at Pt. Thompson, you              
 are going in the wrong direction as far as trying to reduce cost.             
 She said they expect that the infrastructure they build would need            
 to support future gas sales from Pt. Thompson and other fields and            
 they are planning that into their design basis.                               
                                                                               
    SENATOR TAYLOR  noted that the Governor was being requested to do a        
 number of things, but was not getting a copy of the resolution.               
 REPRESENTATIVE BARNES responded that it does address the Governor             
 over and over again, and it is a House Concurrent Resolution which            
 means it is a message to the executive.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 512                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR SHARP  moved to pass the CSHCR 1(WTR) from Committee with            
 individual recommendations.  There were no objections and it was so           
 ordered.                                                                      

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